tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28133718.post3824218892138889056..comments2023-06-28T22:58:28.247+10:00Comments on Sixth In Line: Clutter, clots, clogs and chaos.Elisabethhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04015624747225433940noreply@blogger.comBlogger33125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28133718.post-51227351903832752592012-06-23T17:30:22.595+10:002012-06-23T17:30:22.595+10:00Dear Elisabeth, this was a very interesting read f...Dear Elisabeth, this was a very interesting read for me, as I have tendencies to hoard stuff.<br />I think it is a trait inherited from my grandfather who I resemble a lot, but also is a result of my nomad life and my desperate search for home. All that stuff I had in the basement of my white house and also in other rooms made me somehow connected to places in time, and mad me feel I belonged somewhere.<br />It took us a week almost to dispose of it all and made me realize I never want to collect so much things again. Thus now I really think hard and long about keeping items that I do not use. But it does not come easy, somewhere deep I still feel the need to keep things.;)<br />xoxoZuzanahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02137958790178864561noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28133718.post-50350070325701129962012-06-22T05:58:41.370+10:002012-06-22T05:58:41.370+10:00I read your post with interest because I've ju...I read your post with interest because I've just finished a novel that is considered amongst the "difficult" books that one must read before one dies. It's about a man's quest to become a poet and the last chapter is all about a dream the man's mentor has.<br /><br />Dreams, a as a part of sleep, come in waves, too.<br /><br />Thanks for yet another beautifully written, honest post.<br /><br />Greetings from London.A Cuban In Londonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16423293358605007539noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28133718.post-21578052322230732632012-06-20T19:04:16.910+10:002012-06-20T19:04:16.910+10:00My desk is a clutter magnet too, Rob-bear, at leas...My desk is a clutter magnet too, Rob-bear, at least that's my excuse. The magnet draws the stuff to me, I don't put it there. <br /><br />At least I don't usually have to put up with sleeplessness and I'm sorry to hear that you do, or at least you have in the past.<br /><br />Thanks, Rob-bear.Elisabethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04015624747225433940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28133718.post-18528098981689174622012-06-20T17:13:05.887+10:002012-06-20T17:13:05.887+10:00A 'serendipshitous coinkidink' indeed, Kas...A 'serendipshitous coinkidink' indeed, Kass. Lovely to hear from you again, though I'm sorry to hear you can't sleep especially when you deserve it all the more for having cleaned out your basement clutter.<br /><br />Thanks, Kass.Elisabethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04015624747225433940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28133718.post-30626952758183385342012-06-20T17:10:51.181+10:002012-06-20T17:10:51.181+10:00It's good fun being able to look after your ba...It's good fun being able to look after your baby's baby, India, almost more so than looking after your own baby in the first place. Though it can also be tiring, more so than when I was younger. <br /><br />Thanks for the kind thoughts, India.Elisabethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04015624747225433940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28133718.post-86037001437725872772012-06-20T17:08:50.679+10:002012-06-20T17:08:50.679+10:00Books are among my treasures, too, Persiflage. I ...Books are among my treasures, too, Persiflage. I cannot bear to part with them. It's okay at the moment because our house is large enough, but one day I imagine we will need to cull. <br /><br />As for storage space, it is essential if you want to be able to deal effectively with your clutter. I too can never quite get enough storage space.<br /><br />Thanks, Persiflage.Elisabethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04015624747225433940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28133718.post-19903069860900276812012-06-20T17:05:09.202+10:002012-06-20T17:05:09.202+10:00I agree, sleep derivation is a sure form of tortur...I agree, sleep derivation is a sure form of torture, Karen and what's worse is being so tired you simply cannot get to sleep, as if all your nerve fibres are charged to stay awake. <br /><br />I also know the horrors of throwing out other people's junk only to be accused of being the worst of the worst. It happens all the time in families I expect. <br /><br />One person's treasure is another's junk.<br /><br />Thanks, Karen.Elisabethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04015624747225433940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28133718.post-16823967178416674962012-06-20T17:01:16.323+10:002012-06-20T17:01:16.323+10:00It is amazing how different the various members of...It is amazing how different the various members of the same family can be in relation to clutter and hoarding, Kirk. All my siblings differ from one another, but none it seems to me is as bad as me. If anything most have a tendency to be overly scrupulous about mess. I suspect this is on account of our early experience of chaos.<br /><br />Thanks, Kirk.Elisabethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04015624747225433940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28133718.post-77714297490412140832012-06-20T16:58:14.515+10:002012-06-20T16:58:14.515+10:00Moving house is a good way to keep clutter under c...Moving house is a good way to keep clutter under control it seems, Cheshire Wife. And staying in the one place for long periods of time can result in the opposite, an excess of clutter, as it is for me. <br /><br />Thanks, Cheshire Wife.Elisabethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04015624747225433940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28133718.post-57986098692261226612012-06-20T16:55:37.416+10:002012-06-20T16:55:37.416+10:00Clutterers and hoarders compete in your house, by ...Clutterers and hoarders compete in your house, by the sound of things, Joanne. It must make it tough for you caught in between. <br /><br />And as for time flying, it certainly does, and most of all when you're in the middle of it.<br /><br />Thanks, Joanne.Elisabethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04015624747225433940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28133718.post-32325174206618223742012-06-20T16:53:18.158+10:002012-06-20T16:53:18.158+10:00The 'battle between chaos and serenity, common...The 'battle between chaos and serenity, common sense and insanity' is a constant for me too, Ms Moon. And death might seem a relief or release. In the meantime, we go on trying. <br /><br />Thanks, Ms Moon.Elisabethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04015624747225433940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28133718.post-69754980141018233032012-06-20T15:13:25.257+10:002012-06-20T15:13:25.257+10:00Moving countries with only three suitcases would h...Moving countries with only three suitcases would have to be a way of reducing clutter, Kath, and more. I still remember you trying to flog you fridge on FB shortly after you realised you were leaving Melbourne. What a task. <br /><br />Having lived in the same house for over thirty years I dread the day we leave, not just for the change associated with moving but also for the relocation of stuff. <br /><br />Thanks, Kath.Elisabethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04015624747225433940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28133718.post-89550618459817756912012-06-19T19:15:32.737+10:002012-06-19T19:15:32.737+10:00I've just had to tidy up an immense amount of ...I've just had to tidy up an immense amount of clutter, Jim, in the form of children's toys following a day long visit from the grand children. Now I'm exhausted. <br /><br />I remember the days when my girls were little and the daily tidy up proved exhausting as it has today. It's a simple thing really but it takes it out of me. <br /><br />As for bird seed mess. We once had two African love birds and what a mess they made. Sadly they escaped into the back garden one day when we were cleaning out the cage and were careless in securing them. I was sad that they probably would not have lasted long in the wild, sad for my daughter who loved them, but relieved for me, the one who had to clean up the mess after them. <br /><br />That seems my response to mess these days. We need to make it in order to create anything new, including writing. <br /><br />I gather our early years as adults involve a degree of gathering necessary and/or desired acquisitions and then at a certain later point of our lives we begin to think about off loading our possessions, except for those things we might really need. It's all very idiosyncratic of course. One person's needs might not be the same as another's. <br /><br />I look forward to the offloading stage because there are times when I can feel overwhelmed by too much stuff. <br /><br />As for gift giving, I'm with you here. I enjoy giving the best to my loved ones, if and when I can. It gives me such pleasure. <br /><br />Thanks, Jim.Elisabethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04015624747225433940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28133718.post-46170974944925915972012-06-19T08:59:15.309+10:002012-06-19T08:59:15.309+10:00I have lived with a sleep disorder most of my life...I have lived with a sleep disorder most of my life, though it as only been within the last decade that it was diagnosed. It was something I did not need, and I am still suffering the after-effects.<br /><br />I like things to be clean and tidy, but stuff seems to accumulate, despite my best intentions. It is as if my desk became a clutter magnet. Or something like that.Rob-bearhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00171692478879522588noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28133718.post-46078710436128124162012-06-18T19:48:25.689+10:002012-06-18T19:48:25.689+10:00I spent the day rearranging the clutter in my base...I spent the day rearranging the clutter in my basement and now I can't sleep. The timing of your post is a serendipshitous coinkidink.Kasshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05233330248952156754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28133718.post-82429523122093976332012-06-18T19:40:53.491+10:002012-06-18T19:40:53.491+10:00It's funny how two siblings from the one famil...It's funny how two siblings from the one family can take on such different approaches to their households, River. <br /><br />We are like you and your sister, only my older sister and I are the reverse. She's scrupulously tidy whereas I'm less fussy, though neither of us reach the extremes I reckon - I hope.<br /><br />Thanks, River.Elisabethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04015624747225433940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28133718.post-16528186761581578642012-06-18T19:40:52.609+10:002012-06-18T19:40:52.609+10:00It's funny how two siblings from the one famil...It's funny how two siblings from the one family can take on such different approaches to their households, River. <br /><br />We are like you and your sister, only my older sister and I are the reverse. She's scrupulously tidy whereas I'm less fussy, though neither of us reach the extremes I reckon - I hope.<br /><br />Thanks, River.Elisabethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04015624747225433940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28133718.post-85313463949559822992012-06-18T19:38:16.455+10:002012-06-18T19:38:16.455+10:00It's a gentler version of rock- a- bye baby, J...It's a gentler version of rock- a- bye baby, Juliet, this wheeling of the pram. My daughter when here boys were tiny used a sling. That would have to be another gentle form. In my days it was less common than it is today.<br /><br />Thanks, JulietElisabethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04015624747225433940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28133718.post-65585478986817057772012-06-18T17:57:46.098+10:002012-06-18T17:57:46.098+10:00It's the lot of some children to have parents ...It's the lot of some children to have parents who operate at either end of a spectrum. For you, from hoarding to a reluctance to hold onto anything, Rubye Jack. <br /><br />I expect it must have made your childhood confusing, or perhaps more interesting, torn in two directions. <br /><br />Thanks, Rubye Jack.Elisabethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04015624747225433940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28133718.post-27729450586860037972012-06-18T17:55:12.207+10:002012-06-18T17:55:12.207+10:00I wonder what sort of genetic deficiency leads to ...I wonder what sort of genetic deficiency leads to a sleep disorder Laoch, especially when there are so many varieties?<br /><br />Thanks for the suggestion.Elisabethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04015624747225433940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28133718.post-10553093459433856292012-06-17T21:51:30.659+10:002012-06-17T21:51:30.659+10:00you are such a great mother to keep the baby so yo...you are such a great mother to keep the baby so your babies now grownup can go out for an evening. i love your sentence - Sleep is such a fragile thing. It comes in waves. About things. I think our things symbolize little stories - good or bad. And having them with us keep us connected to our stories. Lovely piece as always, Elisabeth.phyllis nobleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07904749820148256361noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28133718.post-76230100191291531662012-06-17T20:40:33.484+10:002012-06-17T20:40:33.484+10:00Lots of people have too much stuff and I am one of...Lots of people have too much stuff and I am one of them, but I do go through things often, and sort, tidy and discard. Sometimes clutter happens because there are not enough shelves or cupboards in which to put things. And a goodly amount of spare and uninterrupted time is needed for tidying and reorganising the contents of the clutter.<br /><br />A friend never keeps anything, and as soon as she finishes a book she gets rid of it. This seems to be quite incomprehensible. How can anyone live like that?<br /><br />She keeps telling me that I have far too much stuff. She'd love to tidy me up, to minimise my possessions.<br /><br />I just keep buying books. I cannot seem to stop.<br /><br />It must be very satisfying to know exactly where everything is.persiflagehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05161607100227748374noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28133718.post-21416396100145104402012-06-17T17:45:16.675+10:002012-06-17T17:45:16.675+10:00I loathe clutter and dream of those beautiful Amis...I loathe clutter and dream of those beautiful Amish homes where even the chairs hang on the walls for cleanliness and tidiness.<br />Ironically it is my hobbies and pastimes that create the most clutter (useful). It is the other family members that only create clutter because they won't throw anything out, leaving it to me to purge. Inevitably I am then blamed for every missing item that no one can be bothered searching for.<br />Often people who have trouble sleeping ignore simple advice to remove obvious stimuli from the bedroom and have a room full of radios, tv, iPods, computers, laptops etc.<br />Having been a victim of insomnia when my children were babies makes me understand why sleep deprivation is such an effective form of torture.<br />Karen CAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28133718.post-68324932002669448952012-06-17T04:28:38.398+10:002012-06-17T04:28:38.398+10:00I have a tendency to hoard. I tell myself it's...I have a tendency to hoard. I tell myself it's because I grew up more or less poor. But my sisters and my brothers grew up just as poor as I did, and they're not like that, so I really don't know what my problem is. I just have this fear that one day I'm going to need one of those things I'm about to throw out. It really is a neurosis. One way to cure hoarding, or at least to cut down on it, is move from a house to an apartment. The price of hoarding become much more clearer then.Kirkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02155991693956178030noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28133718.post-49717848859875949622012-06-17T02:54:06.281+10:002012-06-17T02:54:06.281+10:00We have moved house often enough, but not too ofte...We have moved house often enough, but not too often, to keep the clutter level under control.cheshire wifehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13944869219641386387noreply@blogger.com