tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28133718.post7054599011639617114..comments2023-06-28T22:58:28.247+10:00Comments on Sixth In Line: His playthingElisabethhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04015624747225433940noreply@blogger.comBlogger33125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28133718.post-2902786080750566642013-02-14T13:43:22.005+11:002013-02-14T13:43:22.005+11:00jzvlvx http://www.cheaper-montblancpens.com ibwri ...jzvlvx http://www.cheaper-montblancpens.com ibwri [url=http://www.montblancpensincheap.com]Mont Blanc Pens[/url] tgornk http://www.montblancpensincheap.com qmlsj [url=http://www.montblanconlines.com]Mont Blanc Pens[/url] wsiees http://www.montblanconlines.com lhvi [url=http://www.cheapmontblancpens.co.uk]Mont Blanc Pen[/url] fzgtfn http://www.cheapmontblancpens.co.uk ehycm [url=http://www.salemontblancpens.co.uk]Mont Blanc Pens[/url] lmpqut http://www.salemontblancpens.co.uk psvuv [url=http://www.montblanconlines.co.uk]Mont Blanc guyutp http://www.montblanconlines.co.uk qwcpAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28133718.post-776278938257566862013-02-14T13:21:17.613+11:002013-02-14T13:21:17.613+11:00dkbljc http://www.cheaper-montblancpens.com afpln ...dkbljc http://www.cheaper-montblancpens.com afpln [url=http://www.montblancpensincheap.com]Mont Blanc[/url] lvyntm http://www.montblancpensincheap.com ririq [url=http://www.montblanconlines.com]Mont Blanc[/url] iisypp http://www.montblanconlines.com mjzu [url=http://www.cheapmontblancpens.co.uk]Mont Blanc Pens[/url] zvakdn http://www.cheapmontblancpens.co.uk bkzew [url=http://www.salemontblancpens.co.uk]Mont Blanc[/url] iterfp http://www.salemontblancpens.co.uk bqdby [url=http://www.montblanconlines.co.uk]Mont Blanc gtzyid http://www.montblanconlines.co.uk yxsyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28133718.post-1102025887649118612013-02-14T13:11:26.130+11:002013-02-14T13:11:26.130+11:00gqemgj http://www.cheaper-montblancpens.com hhrqj ...gqemgj http://www.cheaper-montblancpens.com hhrqj [url=http://www.montblancpensincheap.com]Mont Blanc Pen[/url] mwjzif http://www.montblancpensincheap.com etogf [url=http://www.montblanconlines.com]Mont Blanc Pens[/url] oolcua http://www.montblanconlines.com yfmj [url=http://www.cheapmontblancpens.co.uk]Mont Blanc Pens[/url] woesjv http://www.cheapmontblancpens.co.uk khpkb [url=http://www.salemontblancpens.co.uk]Mont Blanc[/url] hbgnkp http://www.salemontblancpens.co.uk uyhqy [url=http://www.montblanconlines.co.uk]Mont Blanc Pens uxkjyt http://www.montblanconlines.co.uk vncrAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28133718.post-35302093565217922612013-01-12T12:57:34.490+11:002013-01-12T12:57:34.490+11:00Just another quick response to you Elephant's ...Just another quick response to you Elephant's Child for my distorting your word, 'reality' to uncomfortable ground, and then ascribing it to you. I was intending to paraphrase but went too literal. <br /><br />I recognise and am deeply grateful for your understanding of my efforts to write about these experiences. <br /><br />So once again, thanks, Elephant's Child. Elisabethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04015624747225433940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28133718.post-79921355266156358662013-01-12T12:54:10.216+11:002013-01-12T12:54:10.216+11:00Again, Kath, I'm so grateful for your response...Again, Kath, I'm so grateful for your responses to my blog. You know how hard it is to write about hard things. I wish I had some of your sense of humour to soften my perspective, but I suppose I can only do the best I can with what I know and have.<br /><br />Thanks, Kath. <br /><br />Elisabethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04015624747225433940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28133718.post-51844759244183909522013-01-12T12:50:51.540+11:002013-01-12T12:50:51.540+11:00It's lovely to see you here again Aguja and t...It's lovely to see you here again Aguja and to read that you too struggle with the old yearning that art should imitate life. So often it seems we're meant to imitate art and neglect the authenticity of our human experience. <br /><br />Thanks, Aguja. Elisabethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04015624747225433940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28133718.post-48622090312168014692013-01-12T12:48:45.347+11:002013-01-12T12:48:45.347+11:00Thanks again, pviljoen. I'm sorry that you sh...Thanks again, pviljoen. I'm sorry that you should feel bad for revealing your thoughts here, but I also understand your reservations. I've read widely about why it is that people find it challenging both to write about and to read about incest. The taboo and shame associated with it are so powerful. <br /><br />And the tragedy of course is that sexual abuse has a tendency to get repeated over time, which is one of the reasons I have more compassion for my father now than I did as a child. He too was once a small abused child, as perhaps was his father before him. <br /><br />Husbands and wives are often complicit in the abuses perpetrated against their children, often unwittingly. It's a hard life we lead. Even when we do our best not to repeat the past, we often do. <br /><br />Thanks again, Pviljoen. Elisabethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04015624747225433940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28133718.post-82747484539948431912013-01-12T12:41:53.278+11:002013-01-12T12:41:53.278+11:00I had an uncle, Pearl, one of my mother's brot...I had an uncle, Pearl, one of my mother's brothers, I once wished that he had been my father, not my father himself. But as my father is now long gone I realise I could not be me without him. Therefore it's hard to say I wish he never existed, now, though when I was young I did. <br /><br />I too am glad for your sake that he was not your father, though if he were, we two would be siblings. A pleasant thought.<br /><br />Thanks, Pearl. Elisabethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04015624747225433940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28133718.post-17794814613626749072013-01-12T12:37:19.245+11:002013-01-12T12:37:19.245+11:00It's amazing what we can endure as children an...It's amazing what we can endure as children and then if we remember and describe it in later life it can seem almost unbearable, but at the time, it just was.<br /><br />Thanks, Anthony. Elisabethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04015624747225433940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28133718.post-64708251592600369082013-01-12T12:35:59.656+11:002013-01-12T12:35:59.656+11:00In my time as a young woman, Kirk, I don't thi...In my time as a young woman, Kirk, I don't think people considered that marital rape existed, at least not like it's viewed today. <br /><br />And yes, it is a shocking thought, this idea that a man consider he so possesses his wife that he can do as he pleases with her. <br /><br />I agree with you about the value of communication via all media, the only thing is that some communications need a little sifting through. They seem to lack a certain level of predigestion before they hit the screen, though not all stuff that reaches us I expect, just a lot of it.<br /><br />Thanks, Kirk. Elisabethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04015624747225433940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28133718.post-42763983573714329592013-01-12T12:31:38.380+11:002013-01-12T12:31:38.380+11:00The ‘one-eyes god in the corner’ is a great name f...The ‘one-eyes god in the corner’ is a great name for TV, Jim. My husband calls it the idiot box. I’m sure I’ve mentioned before that we do not own one. when my youngest was three I took the box out to the workshop and it never came back again.<br /><br /> I got rid of it one evening because the three girls were so consumed by Home and Away that they would not come for dinner. Something set off inside of me and I took it away. I’m glad we do not have a TV, though my children over the years have felt very deprived. Not so now I think. Now we have DVDs and computers and all manner of technology including iview, which means you can watch select TV shows on the computer. So life without a TV is not quite so isolating. <br /><br />I was taken by Simon Templar, too, Jim. Those suave good looks and the way he deported himself as if he had not a care in the world. You also give some wonderful descriptions of sex on TV years ago. I suspect parents of our parents’ generation often shut the box down to protect their children and maybe even themselves. <br /><br />These days there’s so much more on view. I’m glad my daughter and her husband have also decided not to invest in a TV with their two small sons. Too much exposure too soon is unhelpful. In our day it seemed all so tame but then again the very fact of sitting hours in front of a TV can’t help however benign the content. Still in some ways the same might apply to sitting in front of the computer, which I do with great abandon for hours on end.<br /><br />Thanks, Jim <br />Elisabethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04015624747225433940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28133718.post-2727906713025522962013-01-10T12:38:57.214+11:002013-01-10T12:38:57.214+11:00I reckon we all tend to tell ourselves lies about ...I reckon we all tend to tell ourselves lies about ourselves everyday, Pat, about the things we do or have done, in order simply to survive. <br /><br />People do their best in most instances but even so we fall short and then have to live with the consequences which is where the denial or watering down of our knowledge comes in. <br /><br />Thanks, Pat.Elisabethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04015624747225433940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28133718.post-80376090158279054952013-01-10T12:36:04.610+11:002013-01-10T12:36:04.610+11:00Awareness is a funny thing, River. I recognise th...Awareness is a funny thing, River. I recognise that at some level both my parents were aware of what was happening but they hid it from themselves, very successfully. <br /><br />Thanks, River, for your compassion, even if it means you have to dredge up those <br />hateful feelings, from which I understand you want to free yourself. Elisabethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04015624747225433940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28133718.post-35879233635634044732013-01-10T12:32:45.228+11:002013-01-10T12:32:45.228+11:00Thanks, Christine. I will 'write on' but ...Thanks, Christine. I will 'write on' but you'd know as well as anyone how hard it can sometimes be to keep up the momentum. Elisabethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04015624747225433940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28133718.post-69243974221128557062013-01-10T12:31:39.005+11:002013-01-10T12:31:39.005+11:00The tension you describe, Elizabeth, comes out of ...The tension you describe, Elizabeth, comes out of the associations in my mind, but as I said earlier, it seems for me 'all roads lead back to Rome'. I'd like to travel elsewhere and one day I'm sure I will.<br /><br />Thanks, Elizabeth. Elisabethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04015624747225433940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28133718.post-22148609263453466212013-01-10T12:29:42.564+11:002013-01-10T12:29:42.564+11:00The comparison between Walt Disney and Bob Santama...The comparison between Walt Disney and Bob Santamaria is apt, Windsmoke -one the creative genius the other a political being.<br /><br />I'm with you on the sadness of losing Walt Disney for all his foibles. <br /><br />Thanks, Windsmoke. Elisabethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04015624747225433940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28133718.post-41814937402442396322013-01-10T12:27:19.005+11:002013-01-10T12:27:19.005+11:00I fear that I go over the same uncomfortable - to ...I fear that I go over the same uncomfortable - to use your word- ground, Elephant's Child, but it seems important to me to keep at it till it shifts. Thanks. Elisabethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04015624747225433940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28133718.post-24885638238039393512013-01-10T12:25:45.242+11:002013-01-10T12:25:45.242+11:00Thanks, Maggie May, for these kind words. Like so...Thanks, Maggie May, for these kind words. Like so many other bloggers we understand the significance of these things. Elisabethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04015624747225433940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28133718.post-22569371146095192302013-01-10T01:58:24.105+11:002013-01-10T01:58:24.105+11:00Oh Elisabeth.
Your writing, your ability to see t...Oh Elisabeth.<br /><br />Your writing, your ability to see things with such clarity years later and the shame you had to endure...! <br /><br />Whether your father was, at the time of watching TV with you on his lap, conscious or not, is neither here nor there. What he did was wrong.<br /><br />Thank you for sharing this with us. That sounds clumsy but your bravery - and yet, the somehow poetic and lucid style you reveal things to us - leaves me gobsmacked with awe.MedicatedMoohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08609190990579743429noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28133718.post-8522772871697950202013-01-09T04:01:37.640+11:002013-01-09T04:01:37.640+11:00The build up of how your mind reaches the crux of ...The build up of how your mind reaches the crux of the matter is amazing - looking from a literary point of view; tThe actuality disturbing and sad.<br /><br />The beginning I related to as I had exactly those thoughts and was desperate for art to imitate life and include its trivia .... there were never even toilets around in those films to be seen in the passing and everyone arose for the day in full make-up and with perfect hair.<br /><br />agujahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15857809123531088629noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28133718.post-23672280537280026162013-01-08T06:59:42.419+11:002013-01-08T06:59:42.419+11:00I note posting a comment as anonymous and yet quot...I note posting a comment as anonymous and yet quoting my blog. Tricked myself into revealing ... who I really am. An embarrassment. A slip of the tongue. <br /><br />I feel terrible: I'm disobedient. The Bible says to keep your promises. I am disloyal. You should honour your mother and your father. The Bible says ... I, Woman, am the original sinner. I, Woman or Daughter have no right. Apparently.<br /><br />I subscribe to Eve being a Goddess in her own right. And probably so was Mary Magdalene. I can't imagine a perfect, almighty God looking at Adam chasing the deer and thought, oh, I forgot something. Better make him a woman to fuck. I do not believe Eve was an afterthought.<br /><br />Forgive. To a degree I did. Measure of compassion in an effort to heal us both. He did stop. I do feel, I think I know, there is something good inside such a person. That such a person got terribly hurt somewhere along the line, even in a previous lifetime if there is support for such an idea. It's an atrociously low self esteem that produces such acts, I think.<br /><br />The pervading apology: A woman on the local radio show apologises about mentioning the subject of rape and child and woman abuse - to the men phoning in. A woman at an exhibition of artworks about child abuse apologised for making so much noise. WHY?<br /><br />I'd like to rend the invisibility of a child on her father's lap in a shared space with her mother while he's playing with her (zip). The cloaking darkness. <br /><br />Why the immobility, paralysis, helplessness of both the mother and the daughter? Because e'd not be honouring Father, The Authority? He is Man and we must Obey? the Bible says so. Or Else. Something terrible might happen if we didn't? A Bible that has very much been written by mere man. Dear God. Elisabeth, your father did know what he was doing. I commiserate. There are many instances where the mother was aware o what was happening. I call that being a silent accomplice. The disempowerment of women has been almost complete. Almost, but not quite.<br /><br />Why are no solutions being put forward, no finding of remedies?<br /><br />On a feminist blog: Feminism 101 for those that will take the trouble to look it up, don't feel like making it easy by providing a link ... an article: a woman asked her male friends whether they ever talked about issues o child abuse, woman abuse, rape, amongst themselves. No, they never did. WHY EVER NOT? Women do. Because it concerns us. Very intimately. It doesn't seem to concern men so much that their female friends, sisters and mothers, female fellow workers and female neighbours are caught in this vicious cycle, very much because of the Goddamn Silence about it! If not in God's name. The statistics of crimes perpetrated against women and children resemble war figures.<br /><br />An art teacher once said: if you make art for the sake of therapy, make the best art. You write very well Elisabeth. Keep going. If you've written about it before, write about it again. And again. There is too much to say. <br /><br />And I think it was Jesus that said: bring orth that what is within you, else tht what is within you will destroy you.<br /><br />I think Jesus was a very misunderstood guy. Willfully so by most - men and women. pviljoenAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28133718.post-68239540778321073132013-01-08T06:40:10.282+11:002013-01-08T06:40:10.282+11:00I've tried and tried to post a comment for day...I've tried and tried to post a comment for days. It won't accept my wordpress url. pviljoenAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28133718.post-6629507537238042842013-01-08T00:43:16.433+11:002013-01-08T00:43:16.433+11:00Oh, this made my chest hurt.
I don't know wha...Oh, this made my chest hurt.<br /><br />I don't know what to do with how I feel about your father right now. I think I shall just be glad that he was not mine...<br /><br />PearlPearlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05261369905176088917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28133718.post-35086629792689496092013-01-06T15:13:54.637+11:002013-01-06T15:13:54.637+11:00The tying in of both the wonders of the tube as ch...The tying in of both the wonders of the tube as children with the realities of troubles children shouldn’t have to bare is handled very well. Such things should not have to be endured.. Anthony Ducehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17476865809734682418noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28133718.post-73106799871670567072013-01-06T07:23:47.344+11:002013-01-06T07:23:47.344+11:00I see books, TV and the Internet as variations of ... <br />I see books, TV and the Internet as variations of the same thing: communication. We can learn thing (sometimes the wrong things) from all three.<br /><br />I can't say I was all that shocked about your father's inappropriate behavior toward you, for the simple reason that you've written about it before. I WAS shocked about your father's inappropriate behavior toward your mother, even though it happened within a marriage. Playing with apron strings is one thing, but ripping her dress off in front of you children? Sounds like a prelude toward marital rape. Kirkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02155991693956178030noreply@blogger.com