tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28133718.post8199401240937912569..comments2023-06-28T22:58:28.247+10:00Comments on Sixth In Line: Illicit loveElisabethhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04015624747225433940noreply@blogger.comBlogger58125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28133718.post-74671198277952932942012-06-01T19:35:48.095+10:002012-06-01T19:35:48.095+10:00I'm not sure how this post reads, Heron's ...I'm not sure how this post reads, Heron's View - I never can quite imagine how it comes across - but if it sounds like I'm in need of therapeutic/counseling help, so be it. As for the past, I try to use it to my advantage in my writing having [processed much of it through other means. Sp please, be reassured, I've had years of help. <br /><br />Thanks, Heron.Elisabethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04015624747225433940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28133718.post-22602674065456267992012-06-01T19:31:54.904+10:002012-06-01T19:31:54.904+10:00Kass, how lovely to hear from you. Thanks for the...Kass, how lovely to hear from you. Thanks for the encouragement.Elisabethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04015624747225433940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28133718.post-15838060393274392402012-06-01T19:30:24.329+10:002012-06-01T19:30:24.329+10:00I hope I haven't boxed myself into a corner, K...I hope I haven't boxed myself into a corner, Kirk. I have and will write more on this. The point is what will I do with it once it's down on the page? The point for me at the moment is how to mesh so many strands together and how to find a beginning.<br /><br />I'll get there I'm sure but in the meantime, from time to time at least, I suffer great qualms of conscience.<br /><br />I'm afraid I do not think I could hide behind the abstract or obscure in any thick way, although of course I do not reveal even half of the all. It only appears that way.<br /><br />Thanks, Kirk.Elisabethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04015624747225433940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28133718.post-28454728911149429022012-06-01T19:25:35.808+10:002012-06-01T19:25:35.808+10:00Mary La, you put it so well, care of Oscar Wilde: ...Mary La, you put it so well, care of Oscar Wilde: 'the sideways nature of writing that dare not speak its name'.<br /><br />I'm at it all the time. The other day I wrote a piece about my experience of priests, not that I have ever bedded any, but I am close to those who have and I know of the allure - especially for good Catholic girls - the allure pf the priest, the figurehead of the father and of God. And do you know? I lost it all to the ether when I inadvertently pressed delete rather than save. My unconscious at work, and now I will have to write it all over again. But how to speak the unspeakable? <br /><br />Thanks for a wonderful comment, Mary.Elisabethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04015624747225433940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28133718.post-5156048919272295112012-06-01T19:18:42.157+10:002012-06-01T19:18:42.157+10:00Courage indeed, Gerard, that's what all writer...Courage indeed, Gerard, that's what all writers need, the courage to write the unspeakable, the courage to unsettle, the courage to be authentic to oneself however much it might ruffle feathers. <br /><br />Thanks, Gerard. Write on.Elisabethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04015624747225433940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28133718.post-58110600111149049092012-06-01T16:54:31.184+10:002012-06-01T16:54:31.184+10:00In a way that's true, India. My writing caree...In a way that's true, India. My writing career began in boarding school. It's when I first began to keep a journal. it's when i first began to recognise the comfort of writing about the things I observed and felt. Before that I'd tried to write poetry, unsuccessfully I might add. <br /><br />I resonate with the idea of a story as a 'terrific lie'. Truth and lies are close cousins on a continuum, depending on whose perspective. <br /><br />this reminds me of a quote I read recently: history is shaped by those doing the telling. <br /><br />Thanks, IndiaElisabethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04015624747225433940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28133718.post-36353486624106574562012-06-01T15:55:08.061+10:002012-06-01T15:55:08.061+10:00Zuzana, when you put it like that - the excitement...Zuzana, when you put it like that - the excitement of writing a book - I shudder. Years ago, many many yeas ago when I first started to write again, after a long dry spell during my young adulthood and early days of motherhood, I wrote a title on one of my computer folders which I called 'Elisabeth's book. I trembled to write that title. I'm still writing the book. It's had a long gestation and I do not feel so much excited by it as terrified, but as you say in time I'll find a beginning, and hopefully a middle and an end. <br /><br />I'm sorry to read about the hard times in your life, that they were terrible and so painful that you cannot bear to write about them, but maybe in time you will. It's terrific that it's so much better now with your new husband. <br /><br />Thanks, Zuzana.Elisabethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04015624747225433940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28133718.post-45021975649747464252012-06-01T14:48:14.541+10:002012-06-01T14:48:14.541+10:00I have a different view of needlework these days, ...I have a different view of needlework these days, Karen. I wish I could be more crafty and artistic but I'm not. Some of my daughters are though and that compensates in some strange way. At least they can appreciate something I could not value so highly at their age. <br /><br />As for writing about the past, I reckon it's important to write about things that give you trouble otherwise to me they might well lack an edge. Still it can be hard during the process. <br /><br />Thanks, Karen.Elisabethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04015624747225433940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28133718.post-33048409256547665162012-06-01T14:40:57.287+10:002012-06-01T14:40:57.287+10:00I can only imagine how hard it must have been to w...I can only imagine how hard it must have been to write about your husband's alcoholism, Jane. There must have been times when it felt perilous, especially given your daughter in the blog audience. <br /><br />Relationships, especially relationships and writing, can be so fraught.<br /><br />Thanks, Jane.Elisabethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04015624747225433940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28133718.post-78814605858848772872012-06-01T14:38:27.879+10:002012-06-01T14:38:27.879+10:00I try to be honest in my non-fiction writing, Jim,...I try to be honest in my non-fiction writing, Jim, but even then there are so many different perspectives from which I might write. At the masterclass I spoke out loud about my writing and I'm still cringing. <br /><br />We had to pitch to a group of four publishers. It was a horrible experience, worse for some others than for me but bad for all of us as a group of mainly women academics of sorts who are trying to write for a general audience. <br /><br />The bloke running the master class over two days was full of hype and exaggerated intensity. He pushed us into refining and reducing our pitch into a two minute grab but even then most of us could not sustain the tension. Most, if not all, read from notes, some more loosely than others. <br /><br />It began to sound like the story itself - we were meant to be pitching an article - and the bloke in charge was scathing. I'll probably write more on this. It's a different form of censorship, one that requires polishing and refining your ideas to make them palatable for someone else's view of a general readership. <br /><br />My relationship with the nun has been influential on my life at so many layers but I won't try to analyse in depth here. Essentially, I think she was a substitute for my mother at a time when my mother as unavailable. <br /><br />I' npt sure about the aphorism if you sdont have anythong nice to say...I reckon there are many times when we need to say something that could e deemed to be not nice. Unless it has an edge to it, it's unlikely to be heard. 'Nice' to me is one of those appallingly empty words. Whenever I hear it I think of those sugar coated NICE biscuits we used to eat when I was a child - sweet and bland.<br /><br />I'm in a strangely combative mood, Jim. The master class is still in my head. I should settle down soon. <br /><br />Thanks.Elisabethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04015624747225433940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28133718.post-35136804832305308972012-06-01T02:49:41.987+10:002012-06-01T02:49:41.987+10:00In order to free ones self from the past it is nec...In order to free ones self from the past it is necessary to confront the pain. Counselling is the best option it will of course involve tears however the reward is wholeness.A Heron's Viewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06563706152609630696noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28133718.post-40717352252286573222012-05-31T22:33:46.494+10:002012-05-31T22:33:46.494+10:00To do justice to your comment, Jim, I'm going ...To do justice to your comment, Jim, I'm going to need to revisit you. I'm so tired now. It's been a full on week, but I'll get back to you shortly, and everyone else here.Elisabethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04015624747225433940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28133718.post-60104376652445063402012-05-31T22:32:11.583+10:002012-05-31T22:32:11.583+10:00I wonder how the Susan Johnston talk went, Little ...I wonder how the Susan Johnston talk went, Little Hat. She should have had something useful to say about self censorship. She's such a wonderful writer. I wish I had been there. <br /><br />Thanks, Little Hat.Elisabethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04015624747225433940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28133718.post-52367187714272002162012-05-31T22:30:13.113+10:002012-05-31T22:30:13.113+10:00I'm glad this post was helpful to you, Anthony...I'm glad this post was helpful to you, Anthony. It can be so difficult at times to get into wherever we need to go, to make a start and to plough through the walls of resistance. <br /><br />Thanks, Anthony.Elisabethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04015624747225433940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28133718.post-14297170094611546652012-05-31T22:28:27.200+10:002012-05-31T22:28:27.200+10:00I'm holding my breath too, Ms Sparrow. Thanks...I'm holding my breath too, Ms Sparrow. Thanks.Elisabethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04015624747225433940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28133718.post-27092651712023184272012-05-31T22:28:26.304+10:002012-05-31T22:28:26.304+10:00I'm holding my breath too, Ms Sparrow. Thanks...I'm holding my breath too, Ms Sparrow. Thanks.Elisabethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04015624747225433940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28133718.post-90901859531544714412012-05-31T22:27:46.369+10:002012-05-31T22:27:46.369+10:00To each is own, Rubye Jack. Some folks find it mo...To each is own, Rubye Jack. Some folks find it more helpful to revisit their traumatic memories, while others prefer to keep away. <br /><br />I don't think there should be rules about these things, whatever proves most helpful for you, and me. I'm a revisitor, clearly. <br /><br />Thanks, Rubye Jack.Elisabethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04015624747225433940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28133718.post-22716121634489177402012-05-31T22:24:56.212+10:002012-05-31T22:24:56.212+10:00I try to write reams, Joanne, but sometimes there&...I try to write reams, Joanne, but sometimes there's just too much and much of it not worth a candle and so I need to refine. <br /><br />Thanks, Joanne.Elisabethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04015624747225433940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28133718.post-34519463801144770542012-05-31T22:23:37.254+10:002012-05-31T22:23:37.254+10:00I agree, River. The writing's the thing, if o...I agree, River. The writing's the thing, if only I could get more time at it. Thanks, River.Elisabethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04015624747225433940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28133718.post-16684499119145763842012-05-31T16:05:44.178+10:002012-05-31T16:05:44.178+10:00You've totally got my attention and...
you&#...You've totally got my attention and... <br /><br />you've made me care.<br /><br />...makings of a good story.Kasshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05233330248952156754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28133718.post-27112333155141145352012-05-31T13:00:54.800+10:002012-05-31T13:00:54.800+10:00I'm not so sure about this as a start, Kath, b...I'm not so sure about this as a start, Kath, but as I've said elsewhere I have so many starts, one day one will emerge that seems just right, for now I keep making all these false starts. Thanks, Kath.Elisabethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04015624747225433940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28133718.post-29933424244360482032012-05-31T12:59:19.773+10:002012-05-31T12:59:19.773+10:00Pat, thanks for your kind words, Cathartic reading...Pat, thanks for your kind words, Cathartic reading indeed. I've been meaning to get back into visiting others in the blogosphere but lately I've been snowed under. Hopefully the snow will melt soon.Elisabethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04015624747225433940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28133718.post-58512542070489638202012-05-31T12:57:28.479+10:002012-05-31T12:57:28.479+10:00Sorry for the typo in your name, Persiflage, it al...Sorry for the typo in your name, Persiflage, it almost slipped under my proof reading radar just as I pressed the type button.Elisabethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04015624747225433940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28133718.post-15148402584724882002012-05-31T12:56:16.314+10:002012-05-31T12:56:16.314+10:00I'm still trying to come up for air, Pesiflage...I'm still trying to come up for air, Pesiflage, as you suggest between too much information and not enough of it processed, but in time things will hopefully be clearer.<br /><br />Thanks, Persiflage.Elisabethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04015624747225433940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28133718.post-71196960104118230842012-05-31T12:54:53.583+10:002012-05-31T12:54:53.583+10:00I agree with Doris Lessing, Juliet, on the need to...I agree with Doris Lessing, Juliet, on the need to write into taboos, and yes it is difficult when others are involved, which is pretty well all of the time, otherwise why should it be taboo, unless we're talking about those odd seemingly perverse activities that some of us get up to behind closed doors. But there's no doubt a reason for them too that most likely involves others. <br /><br />Thanks, JulietElisabethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04015624747225433940noreply@blogger.com